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Post by sordes on Aug 9, 2007 17:45:10 GMT
I made again some further research, and it turned out that there are very different states about the actual size of C. ferox. According to several sources, even big male modern fossas reach a complete length of 1,7m, so C. spelea did very probably reach a complete length of at least 2m. But on the other hand, I probably have to downsize the weight. Given the length difference between the skulls, I would suppose a calculated weight difference of about 86%, but as I suppose C. spelea was a bit stockier, the double weight would be more probable. But how much actually weighs a big male fossa? I found weights of 8kg, 10kg, 14kg, 17kg and even 17kg. So depending on the actual weight of a big male fossa, there could be very big differences. The case of the killed giant fossa is interesting, because 2m length and 30kg could well fit the giant fossas proportions.
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Post by another specialist on Aug 26, 2007 15:18:19 GMT
The Fossa is a carnivore. It is a ferocious hunter that eats small to medium sized animals, from fish to birds, but is particularly adept at hunting lemurs, and is the predominant predator for many species, with only Madagascar's large snakes having any other significant predatory impact. Malagasy folklore often exaggerates the ferocity of the Fossa, claiming that it will prey upon cattle, or even humans. The fossil record of Madagascar has yielded the remains of a giant, recently extinct Fossa Cryptoprocta spelea, which was about 6 feet long and weighed 200 pounds, making it close to the size of an leopard. This species was believed to have preyed upon the larger, ape-sized lemurs that inhabited Madagascar until the island was settled by man. The Fossa has no natural predators, but may be consumed incidentally by the Nile crocodile. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossa_(animal)
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Post by sordes on Aug 26, 2007 17:27:26 GMT
Again a highly exagerated claim for the weight.
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Post by another specialist on Aug 29, 2007 21:06:46 GMT
Yes, lots of guess work.
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Post by surroundx on Jun 7, 2015 14:09:34 GMT
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Post by surroundx on Jun 2, 2017 6:27:40 GMT
Meador, Lindsay Renee, Godrefy, Laurie Rohde, Rakotondramavo, Jean Claude, Ranivoharimanana, Lovasoa, Zamora, Andrew, Sutherland, Michael Reed and Irwin, Mitchell T. (2017). Cryptoprocta spelea (Carnivora: Eupleridae): What Did It Eat and How Do We Know? Journal of Mammalian Evolution. doi:10.1007/s10914-017-9391-z [ Abstract]
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Post by surroundx on Nov 7, 2017 11:31:24 GMT
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Post by surroundx on Nov 18, 2017 10:16:30 GMT
Scientific Name: Cryptoprocta spelea Grandidier, 1902 Common Name(s): English – Giant Fosa, Giant Fossa Taxonomic Notes: Grandidier (1902) described a large form of Cryptoprocta ferox from subfossil material dating from the presumed Holocene in Madagascar that he referred to the variety spelea. Subsequently, there has been varying opinion on the validity of this taxon. Goodman et al. (2004) examined and analysed 159 subfossil and 32 modern osteological specimens of Cryptoprocta and concluded that this was a valid species that existed on Madagascar in the recent geological past. Assessment Information [top] Red List Category & Criteria: Extinct ver 3.1 Year Published: 2015 Date Assessed: 2015-01-28 Assessor(s): Hoffmann, M. & Hawkins, F. Reviewer(s): Duckworth, J.W. Justification: This species is listed as Extinct as there is no evidence to suggest that this large species of Cryptoprocta currently survives on Madagascar. It is currently known only from subfossil remains and is believed to have survived at least into the recent geological past. Previously published Red List assessments: 2008 – Extinct (EX) Geographic Range [top] Range Description: On the basis of current subfossil evidence, Cryptoprocta spelea occurred at a variety of sites from Lakaton’ny Akanga in the far north near Antsiranana, along the western portion of Madagascar, south to numerous sites at the southern end of the island; it is also recorded on the central highlands at Antsirabe (Goodman et al. 2004). Countries occurrence: Regionally extinct: Madagascar Additional data: ♦ Estimated area of occupancy (AOO) - km2: 0 ♦ Number of Locations: 0 Range Map: Click here to open the map viewer and explore range. Population [top] Population: It is extinct. Additional data: ♦ Number of mature individuals: 0 ♦ Population severely fragmented: No Habitat and Ecology [top] Habitat and Ecology: Given the size of Cryptoprocta spelea, its massive jaws and large carnassial teeth, it must have been a formidable predator and certainly capable of taking larger prey than the extant C. ferox. Evidence suggests that the two forms of Cryptoprocta might have been separated well enough in size to be able to coexist (Goodman et al. 2004). Systems: Terrestrial Use and Trade [top] Use and Trade: There are no uses at present as this species is extinct. Threats [top] Major Threat(s): The reasons for the disappearance of this species on Madagascar (its entire world range) are unknown. Conservation Actions [top] Conservation Actions: No conservation actions are needed because the species is extinct. Citation: Hoffmann, M. & Hawkins, F. 2015. Cryptoprocta spelea. The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species 2015: e.T136456A45221489. dx.doi.org/10.2305/IUCN.UK.2015-4.RLTS.T136456A45221489.en. Downloaded on 18 November 2017. Source: www.iucnredlist.org/details/136456/0
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Post by Sebbe on Oct 16, 2019 13:51:44 GMT
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Post by surroundx on May 23, 2022 13:24:50 GMT
More reports of the possible survival of Cryptoprocta spelaea: Nomenjanahary, E. S., Freed, B. Z., Dollar, L. J., Randrianasy, J. and Godfrey, L. R. (2021). The stories people tell, and how they can contribute to our understanding of megafaunal decline and extinction in Madagascar. eds. K. Douglass, L. R. Godfrey & D. A. Burney. Malagasy Nature, 15: 159-179.
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Post by Sebbe on Jun 30, 2024 9:38:00 GMT
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Post by Sebbe on Nov 8, 2024 16:03:50 GMT
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Post by Sebbe on Nov 8, 2024 16:16:04 GMT
Who Ate the Subfossil Lemurs? A Taphonomic and Community Study of Raptor, Crocodylian and Carnivoran Predation of the Extinct Quaternary Lemurs of Madagascar.protectedareas.mg/document/show/269191
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