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Post by peej2 on Mar 22, 2006 4:17:37 GMT
To bad there wasn't any Balinese tigers in zoos at all...unless there were and there aren't any records kept of them. Which would be unlikley.
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Post by another specialist on Mar 22, 2006 15:00:51 GMT
Anything is possibly earlier reports may be lost or misplaced. Who knows one day they may surface some where?
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Post by peej2 on Mar 22, 2006 15:32:17 GMT
That would be something. There are images of dead specimens, why not ones in private collections? I guess time will tell.
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Post by another specialist on Mar 22, 2006 22:25:58 GMT
yes time will tell - one day something may be shown to the public eye.
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Post by Peter on Mar 23, 2006 10:52:38 GMT
Are there three mounted specimens of Javan tigers in museums? Because that's what I've heard, and I have 2 of the three images then. One from the Museum Wiesbaden and the other from The Royal Belgium Institute of Natural sciences. But there is supposedly one more in the Natural Museum in the Netherlands if I'm correct. The museum collection The National Museum of Natural History (Leiden, the Netherlands) has two mounted skins of Javan tigers, one skeleton and ten skulls. The oldest specimen is a small, probably young female with an aberrant stripe pattern: on part of the flanks the stripes are lacking or reduced to rows of spots. The animal was obtained in 1820 or 1821 in western Java by Heinrich Kuhl, Johan Christiaan van Hasselt and Gerrit van Raalten, who were among the first Dutch zoologists to explore the natural riches of the Netherlands East Indies. Most of these young and promising naturalists died of tropical diseases within a few years or even months of their arrival. The skeleton too, was collected by Kuhl and van Hasselt. The first director of the museum, Coenraad Jacob Temminck, had these specimens before him when he described Felis tigris sondaica in 1844. The second mounted skin is that of a beautiful adult male, which was imported from Java on 10 June 1920 and died in Rotterdam Zoo in February 1931. Source: www.naturalis.nl/300pearls/On that website you can also see photos of the specimens! |
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Post by peej2 on Mar 23, 2006 14:52:15 GMT
Those are very good images of the specimens. Isn't there a third mounted skin? Or is it just 2 mounted skins and a skin and some bones?
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Post by peej2 on Mar 23, 2006 15:17:28 GMT
Here is a paragraph on an unsuccesful Javan tiger hunt. I'm not sure where I got it from, It was some kind of website selling old hunting books and it gave some descriptions of books and what not, I'll look harder for it again.
" General Douglas Hamilton once wanted to bag a Javan tiger, which is now extinct, but failed in his attempt; As I was most anxious to bag a Javanese tiger, we had a machan (platform) built, and I sat up all one beautiful moonshiny night, but the only tiger i saw was lying on rather a bare spot ... my guide asked whether I would shoot it; I replied, why certainly as plain as I could by signs, so he beckoned me to dismount and follow him; we crept through the grass, I all the time fancying he was bringing me round for a shot, at last I saw that he was taking me right away in a contrary direction! I then seized him by the scruff of the neck ... the tiger settled the question by quietly walking into the jungle close at hand. [Later] I had the man questioned: What, said he, do you suppose that I was going to let the gentleman shoot the tiger? Why, if the tiger had killed him, what would have become of me?"
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Post by another specialist on Mar 23, 2006 15:38:24 GMT
thanks for the above - very interesting read
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Post by Peter on Mar 23, 2006 15:40:52 GMT
Those are very good images of the specimens. Isn't there a third mounted skin? Or is it just 2 mounted skins and a skin and some bones? In the Leiden Museum there are only two mounted specimens, but only one is on display. I've seen that one myself. So maybe in other museums. |
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Post by peej2 on Mar 23, 2006 15:42:29 GMT
Why would only one be on display? Shouldn't they show as much as they can to the public?
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Post by Peter on Mar 23, 2006 15:46:05 GMT
Well to preserve the specimens. They are very old. The one on display can be seen in their Treasure Room. There they keep the extinct animals. It is a dark room that is not open all day, and only one wall is lighted at the time. Every time another wall, so that the specimens are protected from the light (it bleaches them).
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Post by another specialist on Mar 23, 2006 15:54:21 GMT
plus many museums have a back log of species stored behind closed doors. Generally one of each species would be on show and any duplicates would be stored. This allows more space in the public areas to display as many species as possible.
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Post by peej2 on Mar 23, 2006 16:08:37 GMT
Well that makes perfect sense to me. I didn't know that, thanks for the info.
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Post by another specialist on Mar 23, 2006 16:36:04 GMT
my pleasure mate any time
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Post by peej2 on Apr 6, 2006 13:26:51 GMT
What other images of wildlife are from the book about the Udjong Kulon reserve?? I any body knows of any.
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Post by another specialist on Apr 6, 2006 18:18:56 GMT
What other images of wildlife are from the book about the Udjong Kulon reserve?? I any body knows of any. I don't personally know myself but i would recommend you start a new thread on this subject in another category as its unrelated to this thread which is on the javan tiger and we don't want the thread to stray away from the subject really. |
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Post by peej2 on Apr 7, 2006 14:09:03 GMT
Those two color images on the second page of this thread...are they actual images of the Javan tiger? Because I'm not exactly sure.
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Post by Melanie on Apr 7, 2006 14:17:17 GMT
According to the first pic you could be right. This could be a Sumatran Tiger. But the title of the second pic is Harimau jawa and this means Javan Tiger in the Indonesian language. By the way i assume that the second pic is a painting. Those two color images on the second page of this thread...are they actual images of the Javan tiger? Because I'm not exactly sure. |
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Post by another specialist on Apr 8, 2006 20:13:03 GMT
According to the first pic you could be right. This could be a Sumatran Tiger. But the title of the second pic is Harimau jawa and this means Javan Tiger in the Indonesian language. By the way i assume that the second pic is a painting. Those two color images on the second page of this thread...are they actual images of the Javan tiger? Because I'm not exactly sure. You could be right as melanie states the title says Javan tiger but the header title says Sumatran Rhinos and Tigers Trade Monitoring Unit (1999 - 2002) so could be a sumatran tiger |
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Post by peej2 on Apr 16, 2006 23:54:03 GMT
Is there any good paintings of a Javan tiger?
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