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Post by Peter on Mar 10, 2005 12:40:57 GMT
Sadly not painting of description on Pomarea pomarea!  The article says only: On more extinct form () from Maupiti (Society Islands) is only known from a painting (dated 1828) (Duperrey, 1825-1830; see also Holyoak & Thibault, 1984) Duperrey, L.I. (1825-1830) Voyage author du monde... la corvette... La Coquille... 1822, 1823, 1824 et 1825. 7 vols. Arthus Bertrand, Paris. Holyoak, D.T & Thibault, J.-C. (1984) Contribution à l'étude des oiseaux de Polynésie orientale. Mémoires du Muséum national d'Histoire naturelle, Paris, 127, 1-209. So maybe you can contact the Paris National Museum of Natural History in France! Maybe they have it! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2005 13:23:06 GMT
Okay !  Thank You ! But now I have enough, I cannot speak french and I dont want to. Sh ... of this stupid bird !  ;D But Thank You ! Bye Alex |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2005 16:36:40 GMT
Hi ! I think i got it now:  |
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Post by Peter on Apr 28, 2005 12:08:49 GMT
Finally  ;D! Congratulations! Where did you find it? And is it the black and white bird? What species are the other two than? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2005 16:09:10 GMT
Hi ! I found it on that website that I have mentioned (under websites etc.), just search for 'Pomarea'. The picture's name is 'Tahitian Monarch' but it is from Louis-Isidore Duperrey's Voyage de la Coquille 1822-1825. First I thought it shows a pair and a juvenile but the Maupiti Monarch is only known from one specimen, so its clear the picture shows indeed two Tahiti Monarchs, an adult and an jevenile but also an adult Maupiti Monarch ! This is the picture, the one and only of this bird, well it will not stay the only for ever, I've made the first sketches today ... . And also I made my own avatar of it. Not only in this forum but also in the 'Kakteen-Forum'. ;D The three brown feathers on its wing may indicate that it was an subadult bird. Maybe. Interestingly the name upon this picture is 'Muscicapa pomarea' and not 'nigra'. This is a synonym for Pomarea pomarea !!! ;D |
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Post by sebbe67 on Apr 29, 2005 18:36:10 GMT
I may be a little but stupid to ask this question but which bird is the Maupiti monarch?
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Post by Peter on Apr 29, 2005 20:06:50 GMT
Not stupid! I didn't know either. It is de black and white one. Noisi has this birds also as avatar.
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Post by sebbe67 on Apr 29, 2005 21:22:07 GMT
ohh thank you so much both of you, for you Noisi to show this bird, which never have seen before and for you Peter to tell me which bird it was  |
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Post by Peter on Apr 29, 2005 21:43:22 GMT
Noisi told it to me in a previous post! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2005 13:33:50 GMT
Hi !
I'm still very happy because I found that birdie !
Yes, the black and white is the right ! The best thing is, I had not searched for it and just found it !
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Post by another specialist on Jun 14, 2005 11:39:07 GMT
Maupiti Monarch Pomarea pomarea is known only from the type, collected on Maupiti, Society Islands, French Polynesia, by Blosseville in 1823. It presumably became extinct soon after, because it has not been recorded since, and the Society Islands have lost most of their original vegetation and their avifauna has suffered greatly through competition and predation from introduced species. Taxonomy The taxon is a valid species and not conspecific with Tahiti Monarch P. nigra. Note, however, that the claimed extinct race P. nigra tabuensis of Tonga is in fact based on a misidentification of Polynesian Triller Lalage maculosa. source of info www.iucnredlist.org/search/details.php?species=40152 |
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Post by another specialist on Jun 14, 2005 11:40:28 GMT
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Post by Melanie on Jun 29, 2005 20:23:00 GMT
Hi Noisi,
the problem is that we have very less information about that bird. It is only known by one painting and we are knowing nothing at all about that painting. This picture from the London Museum was painted by the same man but it shows Pomarea nigra. You might be right that the black and white bird on that painting is a juvenile Pomarea nigra. But due to the lack of information i have no answer to your question.
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Post by another specialist on Oct 27, 2005 22:52:21 GMT
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Post by another specialist on Nov 3, 2005 17:32:32 GMT
Hi Noisi. I've deleted all the entrys relating to the now deleted images that you uploaded. Thought it be common sense to remove them as there was nothing really to see and the conversation relating to those images would make no sense to anyone without seeing them.
Hope thats alright with you - also deleted some of mine, Melanies and sebbe67 that were related to this subject.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2006 20:53:14 GMT
Hi ! You all are the first to see it:  male above, female below, the green tentacles are Taeniophyllum fasciola, an leafless orchid that is now extinct on Maupiti but does still exist on Moorea and Tahiti |
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Post by Melanie on Jun 23, 2006 21:24:18 GMT
Thanks for this great piece of art. Fantastic.
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Post by Carlos on Jun 24, 2006 10:34:16 GMT
Beautiful painting, Alex, and the orchid detail is fantastic!
Congratulations
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Post by Carlos on Jan 28, 2007 19:58:13 GMT
In HBW11 the Maupiti Monarch is considered as an extinct subspecies of the Tahiti Monarch (Pomarea nigra) by the name of Pomarea nigra pomarea, although stating that it may have represented a separate species.
It is known from the type specimen, now lost, which was collected on the Island of Maupiti, in French Polynesia, in 1823 and an old painting. The taxon was never recorded again, and is believed to have become extinct due to a combination of forest loss, forest invasion by alien plant species, and competition and predation by introduced mammals and birds.
@ Alex: I have a serious doubt, looking at the beautiful painting you made. As far as I know, P. nigra has no sexual dimorfism being all adults (male and females) glossy black, and the juveniles of a characteristic cinnamon-rufous plumage. How is it that you painted a black and white female? Where did you get the female description of P. (n.) pomarea?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2007 22:04:43 GMT
@ Alex: I have a serious doubt, looking at the beautiful painting you made. As far as I know, P. nigra has no sexual dimorfism being all adults (male and females) glossy black, and the juveniles of a characteristic cinnamon-rufous plumage. How is it that you painted a black and white female? Where did you get the female description of P. (n.) pomarea? This is the old painting:  I found it on a website of which a link must be still somewhere in the forum, maybe somebody knows the link ? I do not find it anymore. Hi ! I found it on that website that I have mentioned (under websites etc.), just search for 'Pomarea'. The picture's name is 'Tahitian Monarch' but it is from Louis-Isidore Duperrey's Voyage de la Coquille 1822-1825. First I thought it shows a pair and a juvenile but the Maupiti Monarch is only known from one specimen, so its clear the picture shows indeed two Tahiti Monarchs, an adult and an jevenile but also an adult Maupiti Monarch ! This is the picture, the one and only of this bird, well it will not stay the only for ever, I've made the first sketches today ... . And also I made my own avatar of it. Not only in this forum but also in the 'Kakteen-Forum'. ;D The three brown feathers on its wing may indicate that it was an subadult bird. Maybe. Interestingly the name upon this picture is 'Muscicapa pomarea' and not 'nigra'. This is a synonym for Pomarea pomarea !!! ;D Later I found out that this old painting doesn't show even one Tahiti Monarch, but a pair of the Maupiti Monarch and its offspring. You can see that the black bird has a bluish gloss - unlike the Tahiti Monarch. And the brown bird is also absolute unlike the juvenile of the Tahiti Monarch. |
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;D! Congratulations!
