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Post by Bucardo on Nov 4, 2005 21:55:12 GMT
I'm a bit confused. In this moment, I am reading the book Rutas de la Zooarqueología ("Routes of the Zooarchaeology") of Francisco Bernis, a teacher and zoologist from the Complutense University of Madrid. In a chapter of this book, the author write about the archaeo-fauna found in 25 deposits of Portugal and Spain, dated between 4000 an 1000 bC. I'm surprised because Bernis claims that hyena bones were present in one of these deposits, located at the province of Guipúzcoa (Basque Country). (!) One paragraph (excuse the translation mistakes) say this: Of animals bones, is interesting to note the presence of some that are extinct today in the Peninsula, like the aurochs, the wild horse, the beaver and the hyena. But is interesting to note, as well, how certain species are reflecting 3000 or no more than 4000 years ago an apparent abundance and, especially, a nearly general distribution across the peninsular geography, that contrast with it present reduced or relict distribution. In these cases are found the wolf, the bear, the lynx, the red deer and the roe deer.Aurochs became extinct in central or north Spain around 1000 bC. Wild horses probably dissapeared at the time of roman invasion. The last spanish beaver died on the western Pyrenees at the beginning of the XVIII century. But... the hyenas? The author don't identified the species. What type of hyena were this "basque hyena"? Brown hyena ( Parahyaena brunnea) were extinct in Iberian Peninsula at the last part of the Pliocene epoch. The giant short-faced hyena, Pachycrocuta brevirostris survived untill middle Pleistocene in Andalusia (according to Björn Kurtén's Pleistocene mammals of Europe) and last recorded striped hyena ( Hyaena hyaena) in Iberian Peninsula I think that were found in the first part of portuguese Pleistocene. The unique hyena that inhabits Spain in subsequent times were the giant cave subspecies of spotted hyena ( Crocuta crocuta spelaea). Is this the "basque hyena"? I think that cave hyenas become extinct at the end of the Pleistocene, but I don't know other hyena that colonized Europe after it. Moreover, according to Kurtén, spotted hyena were decreased in Middle East 4000 years ago, and striped hyena "re-colonized" this area from Persia later... I don't think that this is the best setting for a new hyena invasion of Europe... This must were a relict population!
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Post by another specialist on Nov 5, 2005 7:50:40 GMT
very interesting Bucardo = if you find anything else out please keep us all informed
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Post by another specialist on Nov 5, 2005 7:54:46 GMT
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Post by Peter on Nov 5, 2005 13:13:36 GMT
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Post by another specialist on Nov 5, 2005 18:47:34 GMT
a good question Peter. Lets what to see if there is an answer
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Post by Bucardo on Nov 5, 2005 20:46:07 GMT
The author talks only about neolithic or post-neolithic deposits, concentrate on the first Bronze Age. A mistake, perhaps? This is the translation of 170-171 pages: (in the 4th chapter, Zooarchaeology of mixed faunas) Bellow, the author make a closed checking of some deposits of Portugal, Andalusia and Valencia. He write later about Urtiaga Cave in Guipúzcoa, but I don’t know if it is the same Guipúzcoa deposit that named before. This new cheking is very short and don’t talk about wild animals: Well, the Neolithic Period is the limit in antiquity. It starts in Southern Spain around 5000 or 6000 years ago and advances to North later. The Calcolithic generalized early, around 4000 years ago. The Argar culture is a Bronze Age culture that occurs in SE Spain between 1900 bC and 1300 bC. Later Bronze Age occurs in Iberia untill 1st millennium bC, when the Iron Age burst into the Peninsula with celtic invaders from France. This hyena is strange in all of these epochs… but probably lived during the Cupper Age! ____________________________________________ *Originally Levante (Murcia + Land of Valencia) ** Lepus capensis originally include many subspecies that today are recognised as separated species. The text probably talks about the Iberian Hare, Lepus granatensis.
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Post by another specialist on Nov 5, 2005 21:19:41 GMT
thanks Bucardo for info
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Post by Bucardo on Nov 5, 2005 21:55:28 GMT
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Post by extinctionier on Nov 5, 2005 23:30:03 GMT
Bucardo, are you also talking about the American Cave Hyena?
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Post by Bucardo on Nov 6, 2005 0:01:57 GMT
Bucardo, are you also talking about the American Cave Hyena? No. As far I know, only one species of hyena colonized America, Chasmaporthetes ossifragus. It lived during the Pliocene and become extinct at the start of Ice Age. During the Pleistocene, the bone-crusher niche in America were occupied by the giant wolf Canis dirus.
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Post by another specialist on Nov 6, 2005 10:41:26 GMT
Bucardo, are you also talking about the American Cave Hyena? One of the most extreme bone-crushers that ever evolved was Adcrocuta eximia which lived in Greece, Austria and Spain a bit more than 9 million years ago. With its thick, short legs, it was not a good runner -- but it was a good bone-crusher and may have thus lived mainly by scavenging, even more so than any modern hyena. Three hyena genera took up running down prey for a living: Chasmaporthetes, Lycyaena and Hyaenictis. They had a long reign as important predators. Chasmaporthetes crossed the Bering land bridge during the Pliocene to enter North America, where it evolved a new species, Chasmaporthetes ossifragus -- North America's only native hyaenid. It did not die out until the first Ice Ages began, in the Pleistocene -- perhaps a victim of the climate changes that also triggered the growth of the great ice sheets. By the end of the Miocene, hyaenids apparently ran into problems. The true canids (the ancestors of wolves, jackals, foxes and such) had entered Europe and were beginning to diversify, too, and perhaps the hyenas could not compete with them. The entire family almost died out in Europe, except for a few running hyenas like Chasmaporthetes and a giant version of the spotted hyena, called the "cave hyena". www.wearesites.com/Personal/Hyenas/hy_evolution.php
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Post by noxomanus on May 19, 2007 20:52:37 GMT
If there still existed hyenas in Iberia at that date, I suspect they'd have been Hyaena hyaena. I base this on the fact that this species is much more tolerant of human disturbance and less in need of large prey and large land surfaces then Crocuta crocuta is, even more so for giant Crocuta species. H. hyeana is still the most widespread and numerous hyena.
That is just a first reaction though.
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Post by another specialist on May 23, 2007 6:31:08 GMT
Spotted Hyena, Crocuta crocuta & Striped Hyena, Hyaena hyaena migrated into Europe especially Spain.
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Post by another specialist on May 23, 2007 6:36:14 GMT
The Cave Hyena is an extinct variety of hyena native to Eurasia, ranging from Northern China to Spain and into the British Isles. It is usually considered a subspecies of the Spotted Hyena (Crocuta crocuta spelaea), but is sometimes described as a separate species (Crocuta spelaea) very closely related to the spotted hyena. It is known from a range of fossils and prehistoric cave art. They became extinct across their range near the end of the last ice age (between 20,000 and 10,000 years BP). Description Cave paintings and fossils depict the cave hyena as very similar to the modern spotted hyena in appearance, however the cave hyena was significantly larger, standing up to forty inches tall at the shoulder and weighing on average 175–185 pounds; comparable to the largest spotted hyena on record. Like the spotted hyena, they lived in social groups and probably had a similar social structure and role in the ecosystem, as nocturnal pack hunters and occasional scavengers. Being larger than the spotted hyena, they would have been able to take on comparatively larger prey, and would have been been quite formidable in competition with other predators at kill sites. They appear to have been quite common through most of their reign. Interaction with hominids Kills partially processed by Neanderthal and then cave hyena indicate that hyena would occasionally steal Neanderthal kills, and cave hyena and Neanderthal both competed for cave sites, often displacing one another within the fossil record of a given cave. Numerous hominid bones, including Neanderthal, have also been found partially consumed by cave hyena. Modern humans also lived alongside cave hyena, and may have had similar interaction with them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_Hyena
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Post by another specialist on May 23, 2007 6:37:06 GMT
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Post by surroundx on Jun 19, 2012 10:59:54 GMT
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Post by surroundx on Dec 13, 2012 12:33:28 GMT
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Post by surroundx on Jan 24, 2016 9:52:50 GMT
Diedrich, Cajus G. (2016). Late Pleistocene hyena skeleton remains of a communal/prey depot cave den in the Bohemian Mountains (Czech Republic) – Its osteology, taphonomy and palaeoecology. Acta Zoologica. DOI: 10.1111/azo.12152 [ Abstract]
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Post by surroundx on Jul 24, 2016 4:11:31 GMT
Gatta, Maurizio et al. (In Press, 2016). Pollen from Late Pleistocene hyena ( Crocuta crocuta spelaea) coprolites: An interdisciplinary approach from two Italian sites. Review of Palaeobotany and Palynology. doi:10.1016/j.revpalbo.2016.07.005 [ Abstract]
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Post by surroundx on Jan 2, 2017 10:16:57 GMT
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