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Post by sebbe67 on Feb 9, 2005 22:00:53 GMT
P. nigra tabuensis of Tonga is in fact based on a misidentification of Polynesian Triller Lalage maculosa
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Post by Melanie on Feb 9, 2005 22:57:30 GMT
I've compared paintings of Tongatabu Flycatcher and the Polynesian Triller. There is in fact a similarity between this two birds but when Johann R. Forster (a famous ornithologist from the 18th century and member of the Cook expedition) has discovered this bird in 1773 he described it as an endemic landbird.
David Day has written about Forster "Forster is certainly an authority we can trust, and it is accepted by ornithologists today that his bird was in fact a Pomarea, a subspecies of the pied Tahiti form".
David Day "The Doomsday Book of Animals", p114
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2005 14:07:19 GMT
Hello Melanie ! Please, please show me this piture of that Tongatabu-Bird. If You still have it. The bird should be Lalage maculosa tabuensis. It is definitly not a Pomarea and more definitly not a supspecies of the tahiti-monarch, but if it would be a monarch, than it would be a Myiagra or maybe a Lamprolia. I really want to se that picture.  Bye Alex |
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Post by Melly on Feb 10, 2005 14:39:32 GMT
This painting is from the Book "The Doomsday Book of Animals". The problem is that my scanner is broken and so i am not able to scan this picture at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2005 17:20:59 GMT
 ahh poor little me Hello ! Its okay, want You remember me when your scanner is healt ? Bye Alex oh nuts, the book is out of print. Why ? 
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Post by Melly on Feb 10, 2005 17:36:00 GMT
I think i have to buy a new scanner. I will not forget you if i have a new one. By the way you can make a try at www.abebooks.de They can deliver out of print books. But it takes a lot of time and it could be very expensive. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2005 17:41:18 GMT
Hello ! Thank You so much for not forgetting me !  |
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Post by sebbe67 on Feb 11, 2005 16:32:41 GMT
yes but both birdlife And IUCN has decribed it has a no longer exsisting subspecies
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Post by sebbe67 on Feb 12, 2005 11:44:52 GMT
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Post by Melly on Mar 12, 2005 10:11:56 GMT
As promised. Here is the pic of the Tongatabu Flycatcher  Source: David Day "The Doomsday Book of Animals" |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2005 14:16:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2005 14:19:02 GMT
And this is definitly a Lalage-Species !  |
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Post by Melly on Mar 12, 2005 14:42:03 GMT
Sorry, but the Maupiti Monarch is not mentioned in "The Doomsday Book of Animals".
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Post by sebbe67 on Oct 30, 2005 18:44:33 GMT
I agree with melanie, the Pomarea nigra tabuensis dosent look quite as the Polynesia triller.
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Post by another specialist on Oct 30, 2005 18:54:14 GMT
I agree with melanie, the Pomarea nigra tabuensis dosent look quite as the Polynesia triller. I agree to similiar but different |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2005 18:58:03 GMT
Here is the Polynesian Triller, a subspecies from Fiji - Lalage m. pumila:  A Pomarea sp. on Tonga would make no sense, but a Myiagra sp. is known from subfossil remains. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2005 19:08:46 GMT
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Post by another specialist on Oct 30, 2005 19:08:47 GMT
thanks for your input Noisi - it's of great interest
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2005 19:12:13 GMT
I still dont know what the Lalage maculosa ssp. from Tongatabu lookes but its name is tabuensis and it is still alive. If some one would have a picture of that subspecies we would see if it is the same or not as the so-called Pomarea p. tabuensis. The name allone makes no sense, why should a bird from Maupiti have a subspecies on Tongatabu, just take a look inside a map of the pacific region.  |
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Post by another specialist on Oct 30, 2005 19:22:10 GMT
Noisi possible sebbe67 may have it a pic in one of his volumes of hbw?
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ahh poor little me 
And there was no pic of the maupiti-flycatcher ? 
