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Post by another specialist on Mar 20, 2006 20:12:53 GMT
There are no paintings of the Javan and Caspian Tiger because as far as i know they were declared officially extinct in the middle of the 1980s and this was after the publishing of the book (1981). The revised edition published in 1989 but sold under another title The Encyclopedia Of Vanished Species doesn't have any images either. |
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Post by peej2 on Mar 21, 2006 0:08:05 GMT
Ahhh...I see. I was just curious
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Post by another specialist on Mar 21, 2006 10:56:22 GMT
Its our pleasure mate anytime
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Post by peej2 on Mar 26, 2006 16:39:58 GMT
Does anyone know of an image of a museum specimen of the Balinese tiger? Other than the skin specimen on the first page of this thread. I have read that there is 8 museum specimens if I'm correct? Just wondering if anyone had acces to any images of these. I have also read that one of the museum specimen skins was used as a rug in a house and is really worn away. But some how it just seems odd to me that there would only be 8 museum specimens if people from Java organized hunting trips to Bali you'd think there'd be lot's of specimens somewhere if there were "trophy" hunters on these islands?
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Post by sebbe67 on Mar 26, 2006 16:45:06 GMT
There is more than one photo in the thread These was posted by Peter, from Leiden museum    |
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Post by another specialist on Mar 26, 2006 21:28:31 GMT
Buzas, B. and Farkas, B. 1997. An additional skull of the Bali tiger, Panthera tigris balica (Schwarz) in the Hungarian Natural History Museum. Miscellanea Zoologica Hungarica Vol 11 pp: 101-105.
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Post by another specialist on Mar 26, 2006 21:33:34 GMT
Death of a Bali Tiger The Bali tiger Panthera tigris balica was the smallest of the recognized eight subspecies of tiger. The last known physical evidence was one shot in 1937, but reports of sightings were received during the 1940s. No photographs of live Bali tigers appear to exist, only some strung on poles after being shot. The following account of a killing (Vojnich 1913) was reproduced in a paper by Balzas Buzas and Balzas Farkas [Department of Zoology, Hungarian Natural History Museum, Baross u. 13, H-1088 Budapest, Hungary (1997)] on a skull from Tanjung or Gunung Gondol, northwestern Bali, in the Department of Zoology, Hungarian Natural History Museum (HNHM 4250.17). "In the western part of Bali Island, along the northern shore, in the mountains of Goendoel, we discovered tiger footprints. Munaut set up two traps along the trails in use (the tiger, like other big game, readily employs the trails of humans). Goats served as bait. On 2 November, while collecting twigs to be used for constructing a fence around the traps, the carcass of a freshly killed kijang (Muntiacus muntjac) was encountered by the people. The trap was set in front of the kijang, in a thicket. Munaut was almost certain that the tiger would be caught in another day. I was much less convinced, as the many human tracks could have warned the tiger. But no - it came to feed on the slightly smelly joint, and the trap caught one of its forelegs, just below the wrist. "When we arrived at the site on the morning of 3 November after about an hour’s walk, and took a few steps from the coast into the thicket, we immediately heard the tiger’s roar. Then we continued along with Munaut and a sharp-eyed native hunter towards the trap, or rather approached slowly and carefully. When we came near it, and I could not figure out where the tiger that I intended to shoot in the head actually was… I definitely enjoyed the feeling of being so close to danger, but as soon as I came to see the beautiful animal wriggling in impotent rage with a huge piece of iron in its leg, I felt sorry for it. "I did not have a good shot, but at the coaxing of the native hunter that I shoot, I aimed at the head of the roaring animal. The tiger lowered its head slightly at the moment of the shot and the right barrel did not point to its forehead, but rather lower, and the bullet destroyed the nasal bone. The tiger roared and jumped a few steps aside. Because of the dense vegetation, I had to clear the place, and shot the tiger in the forehead with the left barrel from about 15 meters. It collapsed immediately like an apoplectic. "As I later found out, three buck-shots penetrated the frontal bone, a fourth destroyed the eye, and all four reached the brain. Does one need a better shot than this? My male tiger is thus a perfect example of the Dutch [East] Indian species. Its tail is shorter than that of the Indian form." According to Vojnich (1913), an identical method of immobilizing and killing was customarily employed by the Surabayan rifle-maker E. Munaut, who had already brought down over 20 Bali tigers at that time. This hunter caught his tigers with steel traps weighing 16-18 kg, and subsequently gunned the handicapped animals in the head from a distance of 16-20 m. Although shot in 1911, our specimen was not actually catalogued until 1947. Therefore, the holotype might have reached the Senckenberg Museum considerably earlier (cf. Schwarz 1913). www.savethetigerfund.org/news/CatNews/no.28/cn28p10.htm |
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Post by another specialist on Mar 26, 2006 21:42:10 GMT
also if you look at
Re: Balinese Tiger Panthera tigris balica
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skin - another museum specimen
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Post by peej2 on Apr 4, 2006 23:04:48 GMT
Does anybody have any information behind the image of the other balinese tiger shot by hunters..not the one shot by Oscar Vojnich. I just recently read the other info behin Oscars tiger. That, as sad as it was, was quite interesting though.
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Post by another specialist on Apr 5, 2006 4:21:30 GMT
According to Vojnich (1913), an identical method of immobilizing and killing was customarily employed by the Surabayan rifle-maker E. Munaut, who had already brought down over 20 Bali tigers at that time. This hunter caught his tigers with steel traps weighing 16-18 kg, and subsequently gunned the handicapped animals in the head from a distance of 16-20 m. Although shot in 1911, our specimen was not actually catalogued until 1947. Therefore, the holotype might have reached the Senckenberg Museum considerably earlier (cf. Schwarz 1913). www.savethetigerfund.org/news/CatNews/no.28/cn28p10.htm |
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Post by another specialist on Apr 5, 2006 4:23:52 GMT
Photographic records of the Bali tiger: For many years it was considered no photographs of this subspecies existed. The ones on these pages are considered the only known genuine images. The first photograph, (page 1), surfaced amongst the papers of the hunter who shot it in 1925. Little more is known. Much more is known about the example at the top of this page. Trapped and killed on the 3rd November 1911, the hunt was recorded by Baron Oscar Vojnich, in his book, "On the East Indian Group of Islands": "In the western part of Bali Island, along the northern shore, in the mountains of Goendoel, we discovered tiger footprints... "On November 2nd, while collecting twigs to be used for constructing a fence around the traps, the carcass of a freshly killed kidang (a roe-like animal) was encountered by the people. The trap was set in front of the kidang, in the thicket. Munaut was almost certain that the tiger would be caught in another day. I was much less convinced, as the many human tracks could have warned the tiger. But no, it came to feed on the slightly smelly joint, and the trap caught one of its forelegs, just below the wrist." Museum specimens of the Bali tiger: The Balinese tiger was a rarity in the wild. Today, it is also a rarity in museums, with only a handful of preserved specimens existing throughout the world. In total, eight skulls and five skins are in various museum collections. The collection of the Hungarian National Museum of Natural History contains a skin, skull and some bones from a young adult tiger. Obtained in 1977, the skin is worn and faded, the result of having been used as a floor rug. It is thought this tiger was killed in 1933 by a Dutch doctor living on Java. www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/bali2.html |
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Post by peej2 on Apr 5, 2006 12:37:45 GMT
Is there a larger more clear image of Oscar Vojnich and his trophy. It's hard to get a good look at the stripe pattern and facial features of the cat. In the other photograph you can see clearly the stripe pattern and the size of the cat as well as Oscars. He also mentions that it has a short tail.
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Post by another specialist on Apr 5, 2006 13:42:06 GMT
Is there a larger more clear image of Oscar Vojnich and his trophy. It's hard to get a good look at the stripe pattern and facial features of the cat. In the other photograph you can see clearly the stripe pattern and the size of the cat as well as Oscars. He also mentions that it has a short tail. I haven't seen a larger image of the photo. Only way i can see it been done is with some photo editing software to enlarge pic and to remove the shadow which covers the detailing of the tigers stripes. |
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Post by peej2 on Apr 17, 2006 3:15:55 GMT
Are there any old drawings or paintings of the Balinese tiger at all?
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Post by another specialist on Apr 17, 2006 7:28:06 GMT
Are there any old drawings or paintings of the Balinese tiger at all? Google search for Panthera tigris balica tinyurl.com/qfnaoWorth a go just play around with the keywords and you may find something |
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Post by another specialist on Apr 17, 2006 7:33:48 GMT
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Post by peej2 on Apr 17, 2006 20:09:39 GMT
Other than the skin specimen on these threads, is there any other images of museum specimens of the Balinese tiger? Or a website where I may find some more information on just the musem specimens of the Bali tiger, because I haven't been able to find very much info on it.
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Post by another specialist on Apr 18, 2006 8:26:09 GMT
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Post by another specialist on Apr 18, 2006 8:28:30 GMT
The museum collection The specimen in the National Museum of Natural History comprises a skin, skull and some bones. It was obtained in 1977. The skin had been used as a rug, so it is fairly worn and faded. The animal, a young adult, was probably killed at the end of 1933 by a Dutch medical doctor living on Java. It is one of the eight Bali Tigers - eight skulls and five skins - preserved in scientific collections. www.naturalis.nl/300pearls/default.asp |
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Post by sordes on May 8, 2007 17:01:15 GMT
Something strange I noted is that some sources say it was the darkest subspecies, but according to the doomsday book it was of lighter colour than the tiger of Java. Furthermore some sources say it had thiner stripes than bengal tigers, others say it had the broadest stripes, and sometimes you can read that it had lesser stripes than other tigers. But if I look at the old photos and the fur, I see that it had many but comparably thin stripes, and that its colour was comparably bright (even if if has proabably lost some colour during the years).
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