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Post by sebbe67 on May 16, 2005 17:17:32 GMT
New Caledonia Gallinule Porphyrio kukwiedei is known only from subfossil remains from New Caledonia (to France). However, a passage from Verreaux and des Murs written in 1860 notes the presence of birds the size of turkeys in marshy areas, and so it is possible that the species survived into the 17th century.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2005 11:48:30 GMT
Hi !
Old people remembered an bird similar to Porphyrio melanotus (Porphyrio porphyrio) but much larger and with an grey tail and a white throat.
Bye Alex
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Post by another specialist on Jun 6, 2005 5:57:05 GMT
Porphyrio kukwiedei
Balouet & Olson 1989
Holocene of New Caledonia
Primary materials: Holotype: tarsometatarsus
Secondary materials: Paratypes: premaxilla, quadratum, vertebra, scapula, humeri, ulna, tibiotarsus
Jean Christophe Balouet & Storrs L. Olson,
Fossil birds from late Quaternary deposits in New Caledonia
Smithsonian Contributions to Zoology 469 (1989): 1-38
Smithsonian Institution Press, Washington D.C.
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Post by another specialist on Jun 8, 2005 9:40:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2005 17:23:47 GMT
Hi ! Porphyrio kukwiedei:  Bye Alex |
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Post by another specialist on Nov 2, 2005 15:01:13 GMT
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Post by dysmorodrepanis on Nov 21, 2005 22:49:35 GMT
However, a passage from Verreaux and des Murs written in 1860 notes the presence of birds the size of turkeys in marshy areas, and so it is possible that the species survived into the 17th century. Not necessarily that long, as they never got more than anecdotal evidence about its survival (they wondered if the description could relate to Tricholimnas sylvestris). Anyways, the native name was N'dino. P. kukwiedei was about 52-60 centimeters long (a bit less than a takahe) and stood almost as tall as it was long (about 50 cm, of which nearly 2/3 was legs, including the feathered tibiotarsus). Sexual dimorphism was pronounced, the smaller females being only marginally larger than P. prophyrio males; all in all, a size difference of about 15% between males and females in the New Caledonian species. Its beak was closer in size to the takahe's, as were the general proportions, but its legs were less stout and proportionally longer, indicating a bird frequenting marshland rather than upland grassland as the takahe. Basically, something like a takahe adapted to the same habitat as the Purple Swamphen. noisi's picture is quite good, only the legs should be a bit longer maybe; compared to the takahe it must have looked as if walking on stilts. But it hardly matters. Source is the original description, in which the Verreaux/Des Murs report is also found (p.27). Note that the tibiotarsus length on p.25 is a misprint; it should be "165.0 mm" (as can be seen in Figure 12) |
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Post by another specialist on Nov 22, 2005 19:26:16 GMT
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Post by another specialist on Nov 22, 2005 19:27:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2005 19:31:40 GMT
@ dysmorodrepanis
Again thank You very much for that information about the legs !
I just used a Takahe for my bird.
Oh, I'm an expert member now ! Good to hear !
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Post by another specialist on Nov 22, 2005 19:34:08 GMT
Still a good picture Noisi - based on what you had to go on
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2006 10:04:47 GMT
compared to the takahe it must have looked as if walking on stilts. something like this ?  |
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Post by Carlos on May 24, 2006 13:57:00 GMT
Great!! A long-legged Takahe that never left the swampy habitat.
I wonder if the bird didn't have longer tibiae?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2006 14:20:31 GMT
... that is just a quick impression, a scetch - and it's sooo ugly !   |
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Post by Carlos on May 25, 2006 6:46:10 GMT
Not ugly at all. Perhaps longer wings and more proportionate tibiae in my opinion. |
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Post by another specialist on Apr 5, 2008 21:23:29 GMT
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Post by another specialist on Sept 6, 2008 17:13:51 GMT
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Post by alexanderlang on Oct 18, 2018 15:20:39 GMT
Hi ! Old people remembered an bird similar to Porphyrio melanotus (Porphyrio porphyrio) but much larger and with an grey tail and a white throat. Bye Alex Damn, I wish I would have noticed that source somewhere, the website where I found it is off ....  |
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