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Post by Melanie on Oct 24, 2005 20:35:43 GMT
Astrolabe Nightingale Reed Warbler
(Acrocephalus lucinius astrolabii)
last collected ~1835 by 2nd L'Astrolabe and L'Zelee crews
tree-dwelling tropical island forest insectivore
possible specimens in Paris
disappeared after only specimens collected
References:
Fuller, E. Extinct Birds of the World QL676.8.F85 1987 ISBN 0-8160-1833-2 p.178
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Post by another specialist on Oct 27, 2005 8:38:31 GMT
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Post by another specialist on Oct 27, 2005 22:38:20 GMT
and the bird its self is believed to be from in or within the area of Mariana Islands like the other subspecies which their localities are known.
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Post by Melanie on Oct 27, 2005 22:42:53 GMT
@another specialist from which source is this information? and the bird its self is believed to be from in or within the area of Mariana Islands like the other subspecies which their localities are known. |
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Post by another specialist on Oct 27, 2005 22:49:18 GMT
Acrocephalus lucinius is from Mariana islands and surrounding areas so all known subspecies which have localities are from here. The species in question has been classified as from this species so the locality is unknown but rough area is known
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Post by dysmorodrepanis on Mar 17, 2006 18:00:43 GMT
Acrocephalus lucinius is from Mariana islands and surrounding areas so all known subspecies which have localities are from here. The species in question has been classified as from this species so the locality is unknown but rough area is known Yes, but this was before the Nightingale Reed Warbler was restricted to the Marianas. When the Astrolabe birds were described, the species included the Caroline (and Nauru?) Reed Warbler also. It seems that the Astrolabe specimens were not checked on whether they are closer to luscinia or syrinx (the Carolines taxon) - do the specimens indeed still exist? So all that can be said is that this bird was most likely from the Marianas-Carolines general area. The Nauru Reed Warbler is similar and was sometimes considered part of luscinia too. It is separated, however, by the Gilbert Islands species, the Bokinokino, which is distinct. Perhaps astrolabii was from the Marshall Islands? There is no reed-warbler known from there, and it is the most conspicuous gap in the distribution. One would have to check the routhe the Astrolabe expedition took. |
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Post by sebbe67 on Mar 18, 2006 10:25:14 GMT
Intresting, I dont know if any specimens exist in any museum
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Post by adzebill on Mar 19, 2006 16:05:51 GMT
I think there isn't any known reed-warbler from Kosrae, that is the only high Caroline island without Acrocephalus species; knowing that some bird species went extinct there in the XIXth century, seems a plausible provenance for A.l. astrolabii, too.
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Post by dysmorodrepanis on Oct 6, 2006 23:10:22 GMT
I see a minor problem here: There were 2 ships named "L'Astrolabe" which made a total of 3 vovages of exploration to the Pacific. The first took part in the 1785-1788 La Pèrouse expedition and perished on the reefs of Vanikoro, but the notes had been sent to France earlier and the expedition crossed the "suspicious" area twice. The second ship was the former "La Coquille" and renamed in honor of the first. Under the new name it was the sole vessel of Dumont d'Urville's 1826-1829 expedition, which apparently only visited the southwest Pacific. But material collected on that voyage was deposited in the MNHN, Paris. The second expedition of d'Urville, together with the La Zelée, took place in 1837-1840. It was the "South Pole" voyage. The journals of the first and third of those expeditions are available at Gallica gallica.bnf.fr/ I have browsed the zoological rapport of the last voyage, and find no mention of it of anything resembilng an Acrocephalus. And while I have just browsed over part of the volume, I have not seen any Micronesian species, and notably, the Guam Honeyeater is missing. There are 10 "Histoire du voyage" volumes I have not seen though. Unfortunately, the report of the first d'Urville voyage after renaming the second "Astrolabe" is not available it seems... and that work has no less than 14 volumes! It could be helpful to locate the original description. But IIRC, that was in the BBOC or Ibis and at any rate is not available online. At any rate, the species luscinia was indeed described after the first d'Urville voyage. |
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Post by dysmorodrepanis on Oct 6, 2006 23:19:28 GMT
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Post by sebbe67 on Nov 16, 2006 19:42:26 GMT
HBW11 states that Yap Island (West Caroline Islands) are the most likely the Island were this race formely occured; based on the facts that the Caroline reed-warbler has been recorded from every large and medium sized Island in the Carolines, with exception of Yap.
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Post by Peter on Nov 18, 2007 17:49:06 GMT
Does anyone know who and in which year this subspecies has been described first? Cannot find it....
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Post by Melanie on Jul 25, 2009 19:07:40 GMT
Acrocephalus luscinia astrolabii Holyoak and Thibault Acrocephalus luscinia astrolabii Holyoak and Thibault, 1978, Bull. Brit. Ornith. Club, 98, p. 125—"Mangareva"; error: possibly Yap, Caroline Islands. Micronesia, Caroline Islands: ? Yap. Extinct? Source: Checklist of Birds of the World, Melvyn Alvah Traylor et al, 1986 Does anyone know who and in which year this subspecies has been described first? Cannot find it.... |
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Post by Melanie on Jul 25, 2009 19:19:59 GMT
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Post by Sebbe on May 15, 2011 21:07:42 GMT
Molecular and morphological analysis of Pacific reed warbler specimens of dubious origin, including Acrocephalus luscinius astrolabii. Bulletin of the British Ornithologists’ Club. Volume 131 No. 1 March 2011,
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Post by another specialist on Jun 1, 2011 17:26:38 GMT
Molecular and morphological analysis of Pacific reed warbler specimens of dubious origin, including Acrocephalus luscinius astrolabii. Bulletin of the British Ornithologists’ Club. Volume 131 No. 1 March 2011, Just got the above Bulletin in the post Today. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 8:02:12 GMT
Molecular and morphological analysis of Pacific reed warbler specimens of dubious origin, including Acrocephalus luscinius astrolabii. Bulletin of the British Ornithologists’ Club. Volume 131 No. 1 March 2011, Just got the above Bulletin in the post Today. Oh, I'm very anxious for what You will find out.  |
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Post by another specialist on Jun 2, 2011 18:08:35 GMT
Will it seems like its a valid subspecies not of lucinius but to atyphus and they probably come from the Gambier Islands.
Also a new subspecies of percernis and a new subspecies of musae both known by museum specimens and are both regarded as extinct.
Would you like a copy Noisi when I got some spare time and can scan them and make it into a pdf file?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 19:51:01 GMT
Would you like a copy Noisi when I got some spare time and can scan them and make it into a pdf file? Yes Yes Yes!!!  That would be GREAT!!! |
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Post by another specialist on Jun 2, 2011 19:54:02 GMT
Ok Noisi when a get a min I'll do a copy for you.
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